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  • #67913
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    Who is called a probationer? Whether a Bank P.O. falls in this category?

    #74391
    Anonymous
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    The term P O itself says that. Its Probetionery Officer.

    #74396
    Anonymous
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    Sorry 10moy da. I think P.O. means presiding officer.

    #74398
    Anonymous
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    Dear friends,
    Sorry, I could not place the matter to you properly. Let me clarify: –
    (1) Whether a person, who joins a post in a govt. service on temporary basis, is always called a “Probationer” till he completes probationary period of his service!
    (2) Is it true that an employee has to remain in probationary period only at the entry level of service i.e. only once in the entire service period?
    (3) Whether his pay & allowances are regularised in probationary period?
    (3) What about that Bank Probationary Officer who also completes his probation successfully and continues with the designation “Probationary Officer”! Is there any such designation used in any govt. services?
    Now, may you please inform me, is there any difference between Charge Transfer Certificate and Joining Report of govt. employees? I am confused as both the documents are submitted by the govt. employees at the time of joining a new office. Asst. Teachers in aided schools submit joining report and not Charge Transfer Certificate, even when they join a new school after mutual transfer after transferring his charge to another teacher who replaces him.

    #74403
    Anonymous
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    Sorry 10moy da. I think P.O. means presiding officer.

    I think 10moy is right.

    #74406
    Anonymous
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    I think 10moy is right.

    Yes, In case of Bank Its Probationary Officer.
    Thanks for correcting my misconception.

    #74410
    Anonymous
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    Dear friends,
    Sorry, I could not place the matter to you properly. Let me clarify: –
    (1) Whether a person, who joins a post in a govt. service on temporary basis, is always called a “Probationer” till he completes probationary period of his service!
    (2) Is it true that an employee has to remain in probationary period only at the entry level of service i.e. only once in the entire service period?
    (3) Whether his pay & allowances are regularised in probationary period?
    (4) What about that Bank Probationary Officer who also completes his probation successfully and continues with the designation “Probationary Officer”! Is there any such designation used in any govt. services?
    Now, may you please inform me, is there any difference between Charge Transfer Certificate and Joining Report of govt. employees? I am confused as both the documents are submitted by the govt. employees at the time of joining a new office. Asst. Teachers in aided schools submit joining report and not Charge Transfer Certificate, even when they join a new school after mutual transfer after transferring his charge to another teacher who replaces him.

    Dear Ms. Dutta
    1) A person, who joins a post in a govt. service on temporary basis, is called a “Probationer” If the recruitment rules prescribe any probation, otherwise he is called ‘temporary’/’Officiating’ depending upon situations.
    2) Yes, now ‘Confirmation’ which ends the ‘probationary’ or ‘temporary’ period, is a one-time affair unlike earlier practice provided provided further confirmation shall be necessary when there is fresh entry subsequently in any other post / service / cadre by way of direct recruitment or otherwise. For example, if one group-D employee is absorbed in Group-C post he will required to be confirmed in the group-C post. I would like to add that one ‘officiating’ employee becomes ‘substantive’ after being confirmed, but on his promotion to any higher post in the same cadre, he will become ‘Officiating’ again and henceforth will continue to do so, unless and until he changes the cadre. He will not, however, required to be confirmed further for availing any benefit.
    3) For employees, guided by W.B.S.R., his pay & allowances are regularised in probationary/’Officiating’ period. He gets regular Pay and allowances and normal annual increment, but as per my knowledge is concerned, Judicial Officers are allowed only one increment in the ‘Officiating’ period, and on ‘confirmation’ (on qualifying the required test) gets the left increments in a accumulated way and pay is fixed accordingly.
    4) I have no idea in this regard.
    Here below are two links where you can check the Government Orders on probation and confirmation for better conception.
    https://wbxpress.com/west-bengal-service … ion-rules/
    https://wbxpress.com/confirmation-in-government-service/
    Hope these will help.

    #74418
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    Ms Dutta wrote
    (4) What about that Bank Probationary Officer who also completes his probation successfully and continues with the designation “Probationary Officer”! Is there any such designation used in any govt. services?

    Bank Probationary Officer who completes his probation successfully and continues with designation of “Officer” not “Probationary Officer”.
    Yes, in West Bengal Police, the directly recruited Sub-Inspector of Police during their 1 year training used to designated as “Cadet Sub-Inspector of Police” or Cadet, after completion of training, they designated as “Probationary Sub-Inspector of Police” or PSI, after completion of 1 year practical training in various nature of jobs during their probation period their service became confirm and they designated as “Sub-Inspector of Police” or SI. Now a days due to the acute shortage of SIs and socio-political aspects they directly posted to the field and the first year of their posting treated as probation period. Which is a bad practice by the department and whose outcome produces inexperienced investigating officers.

    #74459
    Anonymous
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    Simply speaking, the term “Probationer” refers to a new entrant in a service, who is appointed on temporary basis for a certain period (probationary period). This is the trial of a fresh appointee for his suitability in that service.
    But, the term “Probationer” sometimes carries definite meaning in central govt. services.
    As per the Comptroller & Auditor General of India “the term PROBATIONER does not cover a Government servant who holds substantively a permanent post in a cadre and is appointed ‘on probation’ to another post”.
    ” No person appointed substantively to a permanent post in a cadre is a probationer, unless definite conditions for probation have been attached to his appointment, such as the condition that he must remain on probation pending passing of certain examinations.”
    A “Probationer” is appointed to a permanent post with definite conditions of probation such as taking compulsory training in the currency of probationary period, followed by passing of some departmental exams during probation – pending which pay shall not be regularised/ fixation shall not be done. He may be entitled to get a definite pay granted for the entire period of probation or else may get the presumptive pay (in case of ex-cadre appointment) in the currency of that period, as per provisions of the Recruitment Rules. He gets his pay fixed on expiry of probationary period, with pending arrear being released. His pay in probationary period is governed by FR 22 B(1) of Central Civil Service Pay Rules and , thereafter fixed under FR 22(I).
    As far as I know such provisions are there mainly in the Organised Group-A Services under Govt. of India (IAS, IPS, IFS, Ind. Forest Services, IRS, IAAS, IES, Indian Postal Services, Ind. Telecom Engg. Services, Ind. Customs Service, Geological Survey of India Service etc. ). So, it’s a rather rigorous test for the suitability of an appointee who may or may not be a new entrant in govt. service.In such cases the manner of regularisation of pay is clearly mentioned in Recruitment Rules.
    Sometimes a person appointed “on probation” with definite conditions against temporary post in another service or cadre where recruitment to a permanent post of such service or cadre is made as “Probationer”. In such cases, the pay of the Govt. Servant is regulated under FR 22 (2) during probation and, thereafter fixed under FR 22(I).
    On the other hand, a person who is placed merely “on probation” for certain period of service need not necessarily be a “Probationer”. The term “on probation” in such cases means that he is merely on ‘trial’ for his suitability in that post and awaiting regular appointment and, such persons will be treated as purely officiating govt. servants for all purposes till expiry of probation and not necessarily as “Probationer”. He is in a much comfortable position where there is no such “must-do exercise/ definite conditions” imposed on him in probationary period. His pay is regularised/ fixed in the scale of post right from the beginning under FR 22(I).
    Though it is true that an employee becomes confirmed only once in the govt. service under extant rule effective from 1988, yet promotion to every higher post in the same cadre involves simple probationary period of a promotee at each stage of promotion irrespective of the fact that whether the he is permanent or not. In such a situation he is required to be merely on probation on promotional post for a certain period – just an official formality.
    I have no clear idea about the recruitment rules of Bank P.O.s. But, it seems that the term “Probationer Officer” is their designation unlike so called “Probationer” in Govt. Services.

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